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^^^ its a struggle. I've made a couple steps on that path over the last 18? months, but have a long way to go. at best, I'll eventually have something closr to a landrace than a breed.

Most sincerely, thank you.

Last comment, I'm stepping off. It's raining again, I've lost satellite internet again, and power three times in the last 20 minutes. I've used USDA before, either because I'm responding to someone using it, or because it has a common data set of ingredients not found on Wikipedia. I have...

I REPEATEDLY acknowledged the potential concerns with the data sets, inlcuding sample size and variation between samples. In part to avoid the appearance of certainty to which you accuse me. Because their presence in any ingredient is necessarily small, with roughly a score of AAs being added...

Thank you, saving for later. Rain has stopped again - I need to gather todays's eggs. though it doesn't mention earthworm or lumbricina - and we both agree mealworms and BSFL aren't comparable. Still interested in the rest

ADD More water. Fixed it for you. AA ratio remains the same w/i the protein. I used dried numbers because they were readily accessible on the same source - so as not to be accused of cherry picking data sets. As I mentioned, imperfect sources. Live mealworms are about 60% water. Live...

Better source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S003257911930906X (that's the meal, with moisture content reduced from about 60% to just 4%). At those levels, dry matter about 95%, crude protein about 52% (as fed), neutral plus acid detergent fiber around 21% (as fed), and fat...

In a separate post, I'm going to hit you up on your system for this. I-ve tried barrel composting for bsfl - failed. And the dead carcass maggot drop from a goat I took (would you believe it dessicated? Even the skull produced few maggots), and as I've already posted, my soil doesn't do...

aaah now I see it. You had mentioned mealworms. MY ERROR. Relavence: earthworms and mealworms are nutritionally quite similar for purposes of chicken diets. Not 1:1 interchangeable, but close enough that they have similar pros and cons Links to follow when rain stops and internet returns.

You suggested I had confused mealworms for earthworms, in response to a post I made about earthworms, linking another post I made ... about earthworms... in another thread.

While Shadrach now has me on Ignore, I have also had great difficulty discerning between what that poster has written, and what they intend to communicate - at times (even within the same thread, as here) - they seem to argue both sides of a point they deny making. I initially assumed a...

"Earthworm as an alternative protein source in poultry and fish farming: Current applications and future perspectives" Seems a strange title if they are talking about mealworms in that study, but i have read mealworm studies, and some cricket studies, and BSFL larvae studies....

Sure they have - I've read some of the studies. Including studies on rates of reproduction, quantities of soil needed for particular densities of particular species of worms so you can calculate how much dirt with how many worms you need to produce a stable population from which you can extract...

and salt! ;) Sadly, much more than a chicken needs, typically. Also, calcium. and non phytate phosphorus. Fish meal is a popular animal protein source in many commercial feeds too, in large part because of the high Met and Lys levels it provides.

SO SO much truth here. There is no "one right way", or everyone woud be doing it (except that one guy, because there's always that one guy...) There are hundreds, thousands, of wrong ways. I don't recommend the ways I use - they are simply inapplicable to most - but I'm happy to explain why...

I advise against high fat diets, too. They are merely unhealthy in a different way. While there are no guarantees - except that no one gets out alive - the consistent trend from epidemiology studies is that nutritionally challenged populations fare more poorly, on average, in the face of...

I said THRIVE. Not live. There is a very significant difference. I actually read a lot of the thirds (and developing world) research on poultry nutrition to see what other ingredients are out there, to get ideas for things to try out. But since you bring up the third world, I'll offer an...

Yes, I expect that ancient (and to lesser extent, modern) jungle fowl had much lesser nutritional needs than modern (hatchery or similar) birds, and thus more readily met those needs thru complete (likely insect, primarily) protein sources in the environment. Which likely accounts in part for...

You are arguing a straw man, and are incorrect on the fcsts as well. DEFINITIONALLY, Essential (or Critical) Amino Acids are ones which the body can't produce. Its a Scientific FACT. The only source is the diet. As I said. We, Apes, Bears, Badgers, Cats, Dogs, Chickens, and every other...

Terrible theory. We know with absolute certainty that there are some amino acids chickens either can't produce on their own, or can't produce in sufficient quantity on their own - something they share in common with other animals. Chief among these are Methionine, Lysine, Threonine...