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  1. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    *nods* My nascent project is just that sort of thing. I think that Silver-Laced hens are the prettiest birds around. But there is no Silver-Laced breed that's well-suited to hot climates. So I've gotten some Silver-Laced Wyandottes to cross with my Australorps in order to, after a number of...
  2. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I didn't buy the "children starving in Africa" thing when I was a kid and even less so now. Here, today, in the US, soybeans and field corn are indeed grown specifically as animal feed.
  3. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    It is irrelevant to the point I was making -- that my worst layer today was, nonetheless, performing within the target range for flock improvement a century ago. This despite the fact that she was a Brahma, a breed noted for mediocre if not actually poor laying, and that the target flocks were...
  4. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    I fail to see where the phrase "at least" changes anything about what I said. My worst layer, of a breed not known for strong egg laying performance, laid more eggs than the 100-egg target. Even the higher number of 144 eggs per year is PATHETIC compared to the modern production of a Leghorn...
  5. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    My DH knows a farmer who grows specifically for the animal feed market. I've only met him once and don't know if there are extra hoops to jump for crops intended for human consumption or not.
  6. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    No, it's grown specifically for animal feed. And I buy it cheap-per-pound at the feed store not $$-per-lb at the grocery store.
  7. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    When you have the appropriate land and setup for not having to buy feed keeping more hens makes sense. I'm working toward larger eggs, because my preliminary research into farm egg sales indicates that my potential customers want large and extra-large. I don't weigh them all the time, but I...
  8. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    I would strongly suspect that a number of the "I'll NEVER cull a bird!" pet chickens are over-fed fatty treats and die early from the effects of that diet. :) Production-oriented people probably cull at the first or second molt because of the drop-off in laying. Show breeders would be culling...
  9. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    I personally have 3 acres. But they aren't good acres -- that impoverished ecosystem thing. Also, they are partially-covered with houses and outbuildings. They are also laid out as a skinny rectangle which would be ridiculously expensive to fence. We're pressed to come up with the money for...
  10. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    The historical chickenkeeping book in this thread: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/poultry-for-the-farm-and-home.1443907/ Poultry for the Farm and Home, was written in 1921 with the goal of teaching farmers how to get a then-profitable 100 eggs per hen per year -- from LEGHORNS. The...
  11. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    In an urban environment they undoubtedly have an abundant supply of human garbage, pet food from animals fed outside, seed from birdfeeders, rodents, roaches, etc. In a way, that would hearken back to the diversified farm situation where birds weren't specifically fed, but were fed on farm...
  12. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    Not an idiot -- but a newbie who has no real knowledge and a lot of romantic ideas about "grandma's chickens on the farm". OR a person who has read about free-ranging in superficial, feel-good articles and has no idea of the limitations of the concept or about the fact that only certain chicken...
  13. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    Well, I'm working my way into egg sales so yes, I need production. In re: Eastern Wild Turkeys in my state: https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/wild-turkey "In the Southeast, wild turkeys require extensive forest lands that include nesting cover, brooding cover, roosting sites, and year-round foods...
  14. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    Unless the local environment is proven capable of supporting a year-round flock of feral chickens, yes. Or unless they are being kept on a diversified farm with free access to other animals' pens/pastures where they can eat spilled feed, pick undigested grain and bugs out of the manure, forage...
  15. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    They'll eat the broadleaf plants and the grass seeds first. The grass itself is the last thing to go when I move the fence.
  16. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    P.S. I am in an area that allows 3 crops per year.
  17. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    In my area soybeans are commonly grown in a rotation with field corn and winter wheat. I don't know what rotations are used in other parts of the country but I do know that it's rare to plant the same crop back to back due to land fertility and pest issues.
  18. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    As long as the plant is green the beans are still growing and maturing. Killing the plant prematurely would serve no purpose. The fields *seem* to die overnight but that's because the seed is bred to mature at the same time -- just like the determinate tomato varieties all bear their fruit at...
  19. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    This is not true. They dry naturally in the proper time when the beans have reached full size. There would be no profit in killing them before the beans have matured and grown to their maximum size and weight.
  20. 3KillerBs

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    Win-Win! My own yard generates enough pine straw and we invested in a used lawnsweeper so I don't have to rake it by hand.
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