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  1. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    One definite difference: the permitted rate of aflatoxins. https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/41603/15640_aer828h_1_.pdf?v=0 This .pdf has a table on the 5th page, of what levels are permitted in certain products according to how it will be used. Corn can be used for human food at...
  2. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    Sometimes it could be, but sometimes the animal food is made from ingredients that are considered too poor in quality to be used for human consumption. That is part of why food meant for chickens tends to be cheaper than food meant for people.
  3. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    Yes, you did. Here it is: And here is where I referred to it: So yes, you did say it.
  4. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    I agree, but that's why they have trouble with the amino acids that are more easily found in animals and harder to find in plants.
  5. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    You are responding to a post in which I quoted your exact words. Then I asked about what those words meant. (I was asking about the parts that I quoted. There were two quotes in that post.) Are things displaying differently on your screen than mine, so maybe you did not see what I quoted? Just...
  6. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    I think the problem is when people try to make plant-only chicken foods. (That applies to a large number of the commercially-produced chicken foods, and to a large number of the do-it-yourself chicken food recipes that people like to share on the internet.)
  7. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    OK, you have me confused here. I thought you were saying a chicken could eat a diet that DOES NOT PROVIDE the right amount of amino acids, and can still show NO SIGNS of deficiency. Now you are saying they can show signs of deficiency (like not achieving full growth potential). Yes, I agree...
  8. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    That was my point. If the chickens are getting the amino acids they need, the diet is NOT deficient in amino acids. It doesn't matter whether they eat the correct amino acids directly, or eat the things they need to make the correct amino acids-- the diet is not deficient in amino acids if the...
  9. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    If a diet provides everything the chicken needs, why would you ever call that diet "deficient"? It may be providing things in a different form than some people would expect, but if the right nutrients are there in some form (either directly usable, or in a form the chicken can convert to a...
  10. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    In many cases, yes they need SOME amount of purchased chicken food. For someone who is new to chickens, I would strongly recommend they provide free-choice chicken food at all times during the first two years or so. That is in addition to letting the chickens range/forage as much as the people...
  11. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    When it's labeled corn syrup, yes. But when the ingredients list says "sugar," I presume it's coming from either sugar cane or sugar beets. (Unless the word "sugar" got redefined?)
  12. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    I keep seeing "pure cane sugar" printed on bags in the store :confused: (But I suppose the bags in the store are only a small part of the sugar we eat, and I don't know whether cane sugar or beet sugar is usually used in candy, beverages, bakery goods, and so forth.)
  13. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    I know someone who volunteered with a bunch of teenagers to rake the big lawn at a local church. Then this person volunteered to haul away all those bags of leaves ;) So this person did not have to do ALL the raking, but did get ALL the leaves. A good arrangement for everyone! (This would...
  14. NatJ

    Debate on food, free range and egg quality...

    If you're comparing with "free range" eggs in the store, you don't need to change anything about your chicken-keeping arrangements. Your chickens are already "free range." I notice you are in the USA. Here is a page with USDA definitions...
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